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Dexterphall

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Can't speak for anything else but Androfill is like 3 hours away from me so incredibly easy , no reason to go to France unless it's crazy cheaper?

Costa I'm in tommorow for 3rd and final round, will update my task then.
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its 1400 euros for 20 ml crazy cheap enough for you ?
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At those prices he can't be using Voluma. I've bought direct from French pharmacies before and it was more expensive than that. 
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well i call him to ask and said it was and that he was using macrolane before but voluma was actually better, I called him out on the price and he said that he was bying a lot as he s doing around 5 per day and that if i wanted to ahve macrolane it was fine for him as it s much cheaper for him. 

i know the price sounds dodgy ... but openly lying on the product you use when you re in a country like france and have such visibility on the web would sound crazy for me as well... but i am probably to trustfull on this ..

let s remember that clinics are sometimes taking not far from 1000% margins on those things .. the spanish doctor who injected macrolane charged me 1000 euros for 10 ml while i am sure he can have it for 125€/10ml  and this was already pretty cheap compare to the market...

anyway i understand the doubt about it as the price is very very cheap .. I think i will still give it a try and of course i will ask to see the box when i am there ..

we shall see but if anyone had experience with him i would be curious to know about it

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It still doesn't add up. The French trade price for 20 cc is 1825 euros + tax. So over 2000 euros. Wholesale prices just aren't that low. Even if he got a 25% discount, he'd still be paying 1500 euros. 
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I tried to contact allergan in the US and france but they are very opac about it they prices and everything as "they only deal proffessional of the medical field"

One thing to take into is therefore that alleergan only sells to practicians and health professionals therefore the price you are talking about online is NOT the real price but the price B2C of a distributor that already takes its margins on it ( i dont know how much it would be as i am not a specialist in the pharmaceutical field but i guess likely to 50% or easily more). Actual practiciens having program and buying shemes with allergan directly they will pay much less that this price.

basically what i am trying to say is that buying from a pharmacie is not that different than buying to the doctor in term of intermediaries taking their margins on the product. So of course it would still sounds really cheap to pay 1500€ for the operation (that includes medical fees and  surgeon time as well) when you can buy online for 2000€ but not that impossible though ..

so lets be conservative : if the guy makes only 300 euros margins on the product (probably does more), at 1 operation a day (he claimed much more but lets be conservative again) and taking out the weekends and hollidays that would still be around 70.000€/year .. for someone who does not have personal or a big structure and independant surgeons to pay  (such androfill)  this is already a pretty good deal for 1h of work per day.


for me it can make sense but maybe i am just pushing it because i want to believe it
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Hey Mat,  Thanks , Yes i really did get some good girth gains but just couldn't keep up with maintenance  , I don't plan on doing any pe'ing after all this  as found it all a little tiresome . I'm sure stretching is ok after , I probably would'nt jelq .

I won't consider France no , I would prefer Androfil as i have some evidence of it working and i agree its pricey but i would rather spend more money on a company that has some reputation that ive heard of plus its like 2 and a half hours away.
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Hoddle is spot on. There is no way that is juverderm voluma, 100% guaranteed. Somewhere there is a miscommunication. This is macrolane which is fine for your ass, not your cock IMO. Ask him to send a picture of the box.. androfill is doing 5+ a day of these procedures and dr Horn has a clinic in Paris so they're buying power is good and that is below cost. I know because I harassed Francis for his buy price when he was pleading poverty on my top up price as I've now had o we 20 ml so get the lowest price.
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Dexterphall

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Is this guy in Antibes by any chance?
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mat744

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yes this is the one. 

I am trying to check online if there are some reviews in french about him. altough he sounded knowleadgable on the phone i want to figure out if he is legit or not ..


On its website he states voluma but not "juvederm" so could be the chineese version of it..

did you hear about him ? 
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I've been trying to figure out his pricing. The light bulb went on when you said Chinese. A quick Alibaba search gets you this.

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60581675928/10ml-syringe-Ultra-Deep-Line-Voluma.html?spm=a2706.7843667/b.1998817009.6.XvFtoe
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mat744

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well i screened all the french forums and espcially on doctissimo there are a lot of very good coment about him ..

too good actually, those seems to be pretty obvious chills.. (the kind that would have been busted pretty quick here ) poeple posting with suposendtly real names, obvious pattern in reviews structures, poeple bragging way too much how sex is so much better for them and girlfriend and saying that that they will go for more now that they are at 15 cm so they can get to 18 cm, and saying that its fine if other don t want to do it and stay with a small d... then you can find some of the same coments on the videos (and sometimes on every one of the three videos !) with no other liked video ..

eventhough it s a comon comercial strategy and i know procedure is not that risky, this is more off putting for me than the price which i could have find an explanation for it .. i am still going to have an other conversation with him about that next week and let you know its still seems worth  a try
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I've been trying to figure out his pricing. The light bulb went on when you said Chinese. A quick Alibaba search gets you this. https://m.alibaba.com/product/60581675928/10ml-syringe-Ultra-Deep-Line-Voluma.html?spm=a2706.7843667/b.1998817009.6.XvFtoe



Yes i know i saw it as well because i was trying to figure out, that s when i suspected he was using a "voluma" but maybe not JUVERDEM voluma..i asked a price estimation for supplier of juvederm that seemed cheap to have an idea. but in any case those will be distributors so not the kind of price doctors actually have
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Hi @mat744. Are you talking about the forums on doctissimo? Those ones didn't set off my bullshit dectector.
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mat744

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yes exactly 

mainly on this thread 

http://forum.doctissimo.fr/forme-beaute/chirurgie-esthetique/temoignage-penoplastie-sujet_200253_2.htm 

you mean it did not seemed any weird to you ? 
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