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George7

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Agree that the pain is more of a concern, but they can't see pain. If you say you have pain and discoloration they need to act as medical personel since it is clear something is wrong. Hopefully you can put this behind you soon.
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I've got to say, I'm not at all sure about this diagnosis. I could see how a clot could block  the vein, but surely PMMA can't compress it. I've not had 30% PMMA, but based on my experience with 10%, 20% and HA, I just find it hard to believe it would be solid enough to compress a vein. 
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It's definitely thrombophlebitis of the superficial dorsal vein. There is no doubt about that.

The pmma has been deposited to the right of the injection site, in a long elongated band that streches the breath of the penis. This band is superficial, immediately below the skin and is not in contact with the corpus cavernosa.

I can follow the now inflamed dorsal vein as it exists the pubis, down through, into and then out of, this layer of pmma and then onto the shaft of the penis itself. The vein runs along the surface fo the shaft.

The pmma either compressed the vein after it surrounded it, caused damage to the lining or simply roughened the suface leading to a thrombus, or even an inflammatory reaction without thrombus.


I do apprecaite your input, I'm not trying to shoot you down. Just the way it seems to be.
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once a PMMA product settles there, it's there. that's the beauty of HA b/c of it's ability to be removed easily. sounds like a silly question but i wonder if it would show up on an MRI? might be worth a try and then u can see what your dealing w/.
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It's definitely thrombophlebitis of the superficial dorsal vein. There is no doubt about that.

The pmma has been deposited to the right of the injection site, in a long elongated band that streches the breath of the penis. This band is superficial, immediately below the skin and is not in contact with the corpus cavernosa.

I can follow the now inflamed dorsal vein as it exists the pubis, down through, into and then out of, this layer of pmma and then onto the shaft of the penis itself. The vein runs along the surface fo the shaft.

The pmma either compressed the vein after it surrounded it, caused damage to the lining or simply roughened the suface leading to a thrombus, or even an inflammatory reaction without thrombus.


I do apprecaite your input, I'm not trying to shoot you down. Just the way it seems to be.


I don't doubt the thrombophlebitis. What I doubt is that it's due to compression from the pmma. If that was the case, I'm still not sure surgery is the best solution. If PMMA really is constricting it, surely the first solution is to try and soften the PMMA, so it can't clamp the vein. But I find it unlikely that that is what is really happening, as I think the PMMA tissue is too soft. I think the cannula or maybe even your penis ring caused the thrombosis.  
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once a PMMA product settles there, it's there. that's the beauty of HA b/c of it's ability to be removed easily. sounds like a silly question but i wonder if it would show up on an MRI? might be worth a try and then u can see what your dealing w/.


I asked the surgeon if tests would be an idea before he started. His reply was that he didn't think it would tell him anything he didn't know or wouldn't find out immediately upon opening me up.

Since surgery is a must and the probability of our hypothesis being true is so high, I think this is a reasonable conclusion.
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I don't doubt the thrombophlebitis. What I doubt is that it's due to compression from the pmma. If that was the case, I'm still not sure surgery is the best solution. If PMMA really is constricting it, surely the first solution is to try and soften the PMMA, so it can't clamp the vein. But I find it unlikely that that is what is really happening, as I think the PMMA tissue is too soft. I think the cannula or maybe even your penis ring caused the thrombosis.  


I'll have to have the vein removed regardless of cause. After so much time it will be beyond functioning. It's done.

The cannula may have caused the damage.
The ring wan't used between surgery and the thrombophelbitis, which I could feel a couple of days after.

Just have to see when he opens me up.....although I think I'll be unconscious when that happens.
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Could it possibly some fibrosis from the injection sites compressing the dorsal vein or multiple small veins impeding the blood flow return. How close to area of concern where the injection sites? 

The procedure you are going have is dorsal vein ligation due to thrombosis? 

Did you have a ultrasound?  cavernosography?  or MRI? These are tests that may help diagnose what is wrong. Sometimes invasive surgery can lead to more issues. I think that what Hoddle is advising. 

Did you get a second opinion?  It's always best when surgery involved? 

I wish you the best man.
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Could it possibly some fibrosis from the injection sites compressing the dorsal vein or multiple small veins impeding the blood flow return. How close to area of concern where the injection sites? 

The procedure you are going have is dorsal vein ligation due to thrombosis? 

Did you have a ultrasound?  cavernosography?  or MRI? These are tests that may help diagnose what is wrong. Sometimes invasive surgery can lead to more issues. I think that what Hoddle is advising. 

Did you get a second opinion?  It's always best when surgery involved? 

I wish you the best man.


The vein is a good distance from the injection site. It's ligation of the superficial dorsal vein ye

I went to one urologist who, in retrospect, was well out his depth. The second one is as close as you get to expert with pmma. Which is to say it's an experimental operation.

I've realised if forgot what it's like to be normal, to not have pain. This is my life now.
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