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mediatps

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Hi guys,

So I am really considering booking in an appointment with Dr N this summer. I have had HA with Dr Horn in london and messaged him (his assistant, Francis) to ask about getting the HA removed, how long it would take, etc. I also told him about my plan to get PMMA. I have posted his response as I think it is a genuine concern everyone who is planning on PMMA should consider. Francis has been extremely helpful to me and although they of course have a financial incentive for me not to do it, I also trust that they are genuinely interested in their patients well being.

His response below:

"I would strongly advise you not to have PMMA.

We can buy it here and inject it for you and I am sure Dr H will do a better job that anyone else as he is a penoplasty surgeon with many years experience. But you are putting yourself at considerable risk - which is the only reason we don't use it.

That is a big step up in the madness scale from the humble androfill."

His response when I asked how long it would take to dissolve the HA:

"3 years because you'll still have roughly 30-50% left at 18 months - 2 years (depending in metabolism), maybe 15% at 2.5 years. 0% at 3 years.

Where are you getting your information about PMMA? If it is that forum phalloboards, I am really sceptical about it, I have has it said to me (which might be untrue) that they are a branch of Dr C in Tijuana... you can never tell because they don't say who they are.

It is inexpensive for us to source PMMA as a raw material - so if you are dead set on it I would rather we did it here in UK so you are close incase there is an issue - but you'd have to sign a tonne of disclaimers, have some scans and blood work done first.

Read Dr Kim's website or buy his text book on Penoplasty from Amazon. He is the best urologist in Asia and fixes people with funny substances injected into their penises in Thailand etc all the time.
https://www.urodoc.co/pmma.htm

So please don't make a mess of your penis, or if you must, come to us to do it."

He goes on to say:

"Come in and see Dr Horn for a consultation before you do anything.

Yes these guys playing roulette some will have a good result, for now, but infection and reactions of any type can occur years later and be severe. It is a ticking time bomb in my view and complete madness as the only way to remove it is surgically (it gets really stuck down beneath tissues). "


Now I appreciate that there is an honest reason why doctors might be scarred about PMMA it is there job to minimise risk and will only really do something if it has absolute minimal risk. I thought it was a really interesting response and just wanted to get some feedback from you guys that are more researched and have been around longer than me.

It is also intriguing that Dr Horn may also be able to inject PMMA. What are people's thoughts on that?
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regardless of what he said if u guys r in europe, canada or australia, i think your best bet is ellanse. it works 4 years, 3,2 or 1 and is gone if u like or fill it back up. there r products out there made for the face that r permanent but our philosophy is "permanent procedures can give u permanent problems" that being said it can really depend on your genetics so we have no way of knowing that a permanent procedure will work best for u until after.
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It is also intriguing that Dr Horn may also be able to inject PMMA. What are people's thoughts on that?


So Francis has your best interest at heart, but is prepared for Dr Horn to inject you with a filler he has no experience with, that is permanent! Basically it's somehow better in his mind for you to go to Dr Horn who has never done PMMA, using an unnamed brand of PMMA (which is significant as the carriers vary), than it is to fly to Prague and get it done with a Dr who does it all the time. You should ask him why he thinks Dr Horn who has no experience with PMMA is a better choice than Dr N? I've got the feeling that not a single person without a vested interest in Dr Horn, would agree that makes more sense to go to him than Dr N. 


I think the medical community (the likes of Francis and Dr Horn) needs to learn about PE (especially PMMA) from Phalloboards, not the other way around. I know that sounds like an arrogant thing to say, but I really feel it's true, as never before has there been such an impartial resource for people to follow PE procedures over an extended period of time. Medical studies are worthless in comparison. We've got a shit ton of progress reports by real guys, with photos, talking in detail about their experience with various procedures and often over several years. These should be just as much of a gold mine of information for the medical community as they are for regular guys interested in PE. It frustrates when people dismiss the reality of what we've witnessed on this forum over the last 8 years, as it kind of means we've all wasted out time. 
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I agree completely. It's through reading all the patients progress reports on here that has actually given me confidence in this procedure. I actually don't have that many concerns about the short term problems of PMMA, they seem to be mainly cosmetic. I've lived with some slight aesthetic deformations from the HA and it really hasn't bothered me or been noticed even by my ex girlfriend who spent a lot of time playing with my dick. My concern is the long term effects. What happens 20 years down the line? Does the structure hold up, will it start to brake apart? Etc etc

This forum is a brilliant resource and you're right, doctors should completely take note of it.

How many years with PMMA has the longest running member been going for? It would be good to hear more about gradual changes in time over years rather than months.
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Also the reason why Francis wanted me to go to Dr Horn is because he is an actual penoplasty surgeon, which I guess makes some sense. I agree that experience in the actual procedure counts for a lot though
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Lots of good points from everyone here.
One thing to consider is that, as consumers, we really need competition. This is especially true in Europe. Dr n started somewhere and she will have done so with less experience than Dr horn. To maximise performance of Dr's and minimise price there must be competition.
All dr's are in it for the money. That's not a criticism, we all work for coin.
I say go for it. I may for next round.
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Can Ellanse injections be done in the uk, or is that a trip to Australia?
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regardless of what he said if u guys r in europe, canada or australia, i think your best bet is ellanse. it works 4 years, 3,2 or 1 and is gone if u like or fill it back up. there r products out there made for the face that r permanent but our philosophy is "permanent procedures can give u permanent problems" that being said it can really depend on your genetics so we have no way of knowing that a permanent procedure will work best for u until after.


Can Ellanse be done in the uk or is that a trip to Australia?
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The weirdest thing about that response is the combination of how seriously bad PMMA is, with "I'll do it for you if you really want it". I wouldn't inject anything into anybody that I thought was seriously bad for them whether they wanted it or not.
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Francis and Dr Horn are grubby little opportunists who know nothing about Phalloplasty.
The only Dr's worth going to regardless of what filler you want are Dr Oates, Dr C and Dr N in my opinion.
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The weirdest thing about that response is the combination of how seriously bad PMMA is if you with "I'll do it for you if you really want it". I wouldn't inject anything into anybody that I thought was seriously bad for them whether they wanted it or not.


I translated that as his internal thoughts,
'HA makes much more money for us so I want to put him off pmma. In the event that I cannot him disuade, however, we'll do the pmma. Least we make a but of money that way.

Cynical? Yes, yes I am.
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After asking Francis about Ellanse. I thought maybe copying our conversation might be helpful for other people on this board. 

"Take your time with this , you should know this basic stuff before jumping in.
 
Ellanse Dr Oates uses, much more sensible , it is like PMMA but the key difference is the particle size is small enough for macrophage to metabolise and pass out eventually.  This is a collagen bio stimulator , the results might last 3-4 years. 
 
Sinclair a UK firm makes Ellanse, they were not supportive when we met the rep and said thing of penis enlargement .   That said it is miles more sensible than PMMA.   I think Dr H could be persuaded to use Ellanse - but not PMMA.
 
Still dangerous as you can't dissolve it if infection occurs.  Dr Oates has a good table on his website comparing filler product.  We aren't saying he is right about everything but his filler comparison table is good.
 
On a personal note, you have a huge one, it is on our website and people call up and say why was that guy having anything done.  Take a break from phalloboards for a few months and enjoy what you have which is more than 99% . 
 
Forget that PMMA it is for Drs in Tijuana or Czech operating at the fringes.  If it was ok to use we would be doing it here in the UK.  Its cheaper to buy and lasts forever ... how much could we sell !
 
There are good reasons it isn't available here.
 
Expand your search to PMMA for buttock enlargement a far more forgiving donor site, and you should find similar disasters."


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regardless of what he said if u guys r in europe, canada or australia, i think your best bet is ellanse. it works 4 years, 3,2 or 1 and is gone if u like or fill it back up.

Agreed.
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Can Ellanse be done in the uk or is that a trip to Australia?

I assume Ellanse is available there - but as for anyone doing it, don't know.


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Also soon I may have some photos of using Ellanse to cover some nodules from PMMA. But if I don't have them by the 30th of June I may not be able to post and I am not recommitting to a commercial account. SO is putting up prices and actually we don't make enough out of PE vs what we are putting into it.
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