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naginati

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I think we're all a bit troubled here......

You made some really good points and you may yet be right about my situation.

Is it general ed you have?

Interestingly, in the UK (I assume you're uk), the patent for cialis just expired this Novemeber.

We'll be able to buy 20mg pills for less than a pound. Check the reputable british pharmacies, buy in bulk from them at it works out at about 80p. Given that it works for 36 hours that's about 50p a day.
For generic tadalafil of course.
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I think we're all a bit troubled here......

You made some really good points and you may yet be right about my situation.

Is it general ed you have?

Interestingly, in the UK (I assume you're uk), the patent for cialis just expired this Novemeber.

We'll be able to buy 20mg pills for less than a pound. Check the reputable british pharmacies, buy in bulk from them at it works out at about 80p. Given that it works for 36 hours that's about 50p a day.
For generic tadalafil of course.

 

Yes it was a happy day for me when the patent was dropped. The price of pzifer viagra is criminal.

 

I've been buying generic sidenafil in bulk from online pharmacies ever since [smile]...generally around 120 days worth at a time(which works out more, as i obviously dont use it every day).

 

It generally remedies all my EQ issues, so i guess my EQ is down to blood flow issues, given my past with excessive PE routines. For a while i thought it was due to anabolics(which it briefly was), due to a lot of previous abuse. I think initially Oxymetholone(Anadrol) gave me some horrendous ED, upon discontinuation during a steroid cycle..which completely fucked over my HPTA, and was an absolute nightmare to recover from. I went through years of trial and error with my hormones to rectify it. Unfortunately as that problem was slowly being corrected i think a new type of ED was brewing, from my PE stuff. So the truth behind the direct cause of my ED is somewhat of a mystery still i guess....and the NHS are garbage when it comes to this stuff.

Going on black market TRT changed a lot for me, my responsiveness to stimulation was fixed, but my erections were still only getting 70% hard at best (before i fixed this the only thing that could save me was caverject). Sildenafil/viagra takes me back to the good old days of near 100%.

 

 

..Sadly Its still annoying to take though...as i need to calculate times of sexual encounters, so i can be sure to have an empty stomach for quick absorption...else it takes forever to hit my system...also gives me horrendous heart burn, and the occasional stuffy nose...its hard to sleep [frown]

 

Has a double edged sword effect for me too. Because it actually stays effective in my system for way longer than the half-life should dictate - 4 hours...for me it works good for 8 to 10 hours. Of course this also means i can potentially feel like crap for up to 10 hours.

As a single guy the odd nights taking it are ok, but i dread how many nights of rough sleep i'd be having in a full-time relationship

I think when i find a long-term partner i'm just going to straight up be honest with her and tell her my dick is somewhat *damaged goods* And that i require viagra, which makes sex great but leads to me feeling like shit during the night.

A life of sacrifice in the pursuit of sticking our penises in people -_- ...what are we becoming!

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Unfortunately as that problem was slowly being corrected i think a new type of ED was brewing, from my PE stuff. So the truth behind the direct cause of my ED is somewhat of a mystery still i guess....

Ugh, sorry to hear it. What was your PE routine, and do you suspect any one thing to be the cause? I had some signs of a similar issue and stopped PE early enough that I recovered.  

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Does calais/tadalafil have the same side ffects for you, MrW?

I had the same thing from natural PE. I would consider it more dangerous than pmma.
At least pmma will certainly make you bigger for the trouble.
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Does calais/tadalafil have the same side ffects for you, MrW?

I had the same thing from natural PE. I would consider it more dangerous than pmma.

At least pmma will certainly make you bigger for the trouble.

 

Tadalafil does work, but its less effective for me than sildenafil/viagra. I prefer how quickly and how drastically viagra effects me before sex in comparison. However my side effects while the same... arent as extreme on tadalafil...and of course the half-life is much longer.

 

There are times in my life where tadalafil is more convenient. But i rarely use it.

 

Yea, unless PMMA leads to some kind of horrible auto-immune reaction years down the line, i too would genuinely say that many PE routines are far more dangerous in terms of gambling with actual internal erectile function, inside the corpora cavernosa. Especially if you have quite resilient connective tissue in your penis. (Obviously PMMA poses much greater risk to what happens externally/superficially).

 

I think genetics can play a big role. It has been scientifically proven that the tunica in mens penises can vary in layers of collagen+thickness. I'm in the belief that people who are well known for such drastic gains from what i'd deem to be fairly mediocre PE routines - such as mattersofsize.com's infamous DLD, are a prime example of people who have been blessed with relatively thinner/weaker tunicas. 

 

I think those guys never really have to push themselves to a point thats severely damaging to the blood vessels in order to make natural gains. Where as some of us have to wear an overly tight cockring and edge for hours on end just to make the slightest gains for girth...and hang 20lbs+ of weight just to initiate a microscopic amount of length gain.

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That would make sense regarding the differences in anatomical resistance.

I've yet to see any proof of any PE actually working though. There are never pictures....these guys have a financial interst too.
AT least with pmma there is no doubt that it works.

Same mechanism of actiion for sildenafil and tadalafil, gues s should expect the same side effects.  [frown]
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Ugh, sorry to hear it. What was your PE routine, and do you suspect any one thing to be the cause? I had some signs of a similar issue and stopped PE early enough that I recovered.  

Cheers

 

I've been trying different things for around 8 years so its hard to remember the exact routines. Length was a real lost cause for me, nothing i did worked.

 

I eased into PE quite sensibly, so i started with lighter things, simple stretches, jelqs etc on a daily basis, to which had zero effect on my measurements.

 

As years went by, things became more rigorous.

I owned a bib hanger, which is probably one of the most hardcore hanging devices you can use for length, I was routinely hanging for 30 minutes a day with close to 20lbs of weight for months. All i achieved was a loss in sensitivity, and a load of ugly loose skin under my glans...a well known 'turkey neck' side effect of hanging. It was quite disheartening.

I know people who have done pretty much the same routines as i did......sometimes even lighter in weight, and they gains up to an inch in length -_-

I also used a jes-extender before that absolutely years ago, but it was impossible to sleep with, or move around properly.....ended up being too uncomfortable, made my dick cold and numb and the traction wasnt quite strong enough so the only real way of making up for it was to wear it for up to 6 hours...which was just not feasible for me.

 

My only success was with girth, and i achieved this through clamping, and chemical PE.

I would wear a tight cockring, and inject my dick with caverject and IGF-1 LR3 (IGF-1 DES, if i could get hold of it...as its better for site injecting). Basically prolonging a rock hard erection, with tissue building hormones trapped in my dick for around 2 hours at a time. It was utterly brutal, and insanely painful, took some serious will powers to see it out.

I was doing this once every 72hours(which is around the time it takes for IGF-1 to grow new cells). For about a year on and off.

I gained 0.5inches of solid girth(non-swelling) within only a couple of months. But i had an unbreakable plateau with it soon after. I think the ED i gave myself from having sex with tight rings prevented me from getting mind-blowingly hard enough to stretch my tissues out any further.

(i already had ED from horrendous steroid abuse before i started this...else i would probably have just used IGF-1 by itself - but at this time due to my sexual hormones being in the toilet, i needed caverject to induce an erection hard enough, for enough time to let all the IGF go to work.)

 

Of course i think my blood vessels, veins and arteries paid a bit of a price, from the pressure i was applying. As i lost some EQ..but not a huge amount. However i put my most drastic loss in EQ down to wearing really tight rings during sex. It was around that point in my life where i had a real drop in EQ. 

Atleast during my clamping routines i was gentle with my hands......where as when i was having sex, id be putting my whole bodyweight on it sometimes, bending it against resistance etc etc. I'm not exactly a small guy either, im 6'3 and 18 stone, so i think that took its toll on me.

 

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Holy shit.
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I've yet to see any proof of any PE actually working though. There are never pictures....

It definitely works but it takes long as hell, and you really have to be super dedicated to it. It's taken me the better part of 7 months to gain .25", amidst serious dedication to hang 4 hrs, 4-5x per week. It would be much easier if I was a lot younger. Is there some regret that I let 20 years of my life slip by without any serious PE efforts? Sure, but it's never too late.

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Fair enough chester, fair enough.
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Fair enough chester, fair enough.


You should spend one solid year on PE and if it doesn’t work, at least you can stop and never have to worry about it again.

Another thing, you have to be realistic with your gains. I believe everyone can gain around an inch, after that you’re getting lucky.
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You should spend one solid year on PE and if it doesn’t work, at least you can stop and never have to worry about it again. Another thing, you have to be realistic with your gains. I believe everyone can gain around an inch, after that you’re getting lucky.


Spent 2  years, ended up with soft glans through jelqing. Fuck that noise.
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Spent 2  years, ended up with soft glans through jelqing. Fuck that noise.


I find it hard to believe you spent over 600 days doing PE and haven’t even gained 1cm.

What was your routine?
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What was your routine Koosh

Many people don't gain, you don't see it much in the posts, but i remember a statistic from thunders where 50% or something did not gain anything with hanging for 6 months or something. Bad thing i don't remember the numbers, but it was depressing. 

I did have like 5 attempts of natural penis enlargement in the last 19 years. Each for about 3 months. One was jelqing, others were clamping, pumping, extender, all day stretcher.
Never made any gains (i think, could be i actually made gains as a teenager).

Here my current attempt:
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/natural-penis-enlargement-journal-9506918?trail=15#1

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What was your routine Koosh

Many people don't gain, you don't see it much in the posts, but i remember a statistic from thunders where 50% or something did not gain anything with hanging for 6 months or something. Bad thing i don't remember the numbers, but it was depressing. 

I did have like 5 attempts of natural penis enlargement in the last 19 years. Each for about 3 months. One was jelqing, others were clamping, pumping, extender, all day stretcher.
Never made any gains (i think, could be i actually made gains as a teenager).

Here my current attempt:
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/natural-penis-enlargement-journal-9506918?trail=15#1


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