briceb
I posted this in my thread, but a lot of guys understandably have questions regarding the gains of 10% vs 30%.  The following charts are taken from member reports and compiled to provide centralized results.  The data is only for the initial first round.  I hope this helps to provide some insight to fellow members.











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CURRENT: EL 8"  EG 7" midshaft  FL 7-7.5"  FG 6.25-6.5"
GOALS: EL 9"  EG 7"  FL 8"+  FG 6.5"
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Cya@8
Awesome work man! Love stat guys as I am too.
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Mudball
Thanks for the extra work doing this!
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hoddle10
This shows an amazing difference in the amount of collagen produced by CC of PMMA, not PMMA + carrier. For those, like me, who really believe in the importance of getting the most gains for the least amount of PMMA, this really is significant. 

According to briceps data, the 10% produces 2.3 times as much PMMA per bead. This strongly suggests that the beads with 30% are far too close together and this causes are denser collagen which is too hard and doesn't feel as natural. However, I find it hard to believe that it's as simple as that, as 10% doesn't seem to build (it's not very good for second rounds). So I wonder if it's a case of in part the body reacting more fiercely to foreign body when it first detects it. Which would suggest that maybe in 5% would work.
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carljohnson
Great data mining, thanks!!!

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Mustang2020
I think AGE has a lot to do with formation and amount of collagen growth, as well as general health/genes of course. But for me, I did notice that I heal slower as I aged. In my twenties, almost any small cut will heal in a few days, less than three days or so. Now, it takes a week or so for a similar cut to heal...
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el6eg4
These stats are amazing, one of the best posts on this entire forum... thanks so much bricep.

@hulk - gotta be nice to see yourself at the top of the leaderboard, I know its not a competition but if it was, you just won gold you big-dick bastard!

I agree with mustang it would be interesting to know how age relates to volume increase. For example how old is brunoxxx? He had a 63% volume increase from a single session, that's a staggering result.

While gains per bead of PMMA are substantially more with 10%, in real unweighted terms the greatest gains are with 30%. In fact volume gains are well in excess of 50% greater with 30% than 10%.

I'm coming from Australia, so you can add minimum $1000 to the cost of the procedure without even considering the time cost so I'm asking for the biggest volume increase I can get.. if Dr C is willing, I'll take all the 30% my dick can take for round 1.
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briceb
@el6 I definitely want people to draw their own conclusions from the data, but I think that it is incorrect to only look at the total girth gains of one over the other.

It should be taken into consideration that those who got 30% received an avg of 6 cc more than those receing 10%. Calculating this difference back into the 10% numbers will reduce the variance. Granted, even after adjustment 30% numbers do look to be greater.

For example, if you adjust irishfan down by 6cc, his gain would drop from .75" to about .59"

Looking at hulk, if you decreased him down by 6cc, his gains would show to be around .74" from .98"

Likewise, if you added those 6cc to pmmaalltheway, his gains would theoretically rise from .63" to .86"

I wish I could account for the variance in cc received.
A clear conscience is the sign of a bad memory.
CURRENT: EL 8"  EG 7" midshaft  FL 7-7.5"  FG 6.25-6.5"
GOALS: EL 9"  EG 7"  FL 8"+  FG 6.5"
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thehulk
el6eg4 wrote:
These stats are amazing, one of the best posts on this entire forum... thanks so much bricep.

@hulk - gotta be nice to see yourself at the top of the leaderboard, I know its not a competition but if it was, you just won gold you big-dick bastard!

I agree with mustang it would be interesting to know how age relates to volume increase. For example how old is brunoxxx? He had a 63% volume increase from a single session, that's a staggering result.

While gains per bead of PMMA are substantially more with 10%, in real unweighted terms the greatest gains are with 30%. In fact volume gains are well in excess of 50% greater with 30% than 10%.

I'm coming from Australia, so you can add minimum $1000 to the cost of the procedure without even considering the time cost so I'm asking for the biggest volume increase I can get.. if Dr C is willing, I'll take all the 30% my dick can take for round 1.



Ehhh it helps to see that but I just had a bigger starting point.


But ill take gold where I can
GOALS: BPEL: 8.5"
NPEL: 7.25"
EG : Reached Goal"
Pre PMMA Size| Post PMMA Size
BPEL:7.6"--------N/A
NPEL:6.6"--------6.6"
FL:3.5"-------------4"
FG:4.8"----------5.95"
EG:5.75"--------6.65

Firsts round PMMA February 20th 2013 







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edupd
Wow, looks like I'm at the tail end of the chart for Round 1.  Luckily, round 2 was with a 20% blend and my gains were over double what they were in Round 1.

I've been absent since last August but I do need to get an update on my post-round 3 results.  It's been nearly a year since I had round 3 so things are pretty much static now.

So, what the status with Dr C right now?  What material is he using or are their options, and if so which is best?  Is he giving options on concentration now?

I'm thinking of doing a round 4 soon so I'm in need of a catch-up.

Thanks, briceb, for the effort pulling all this together!
Starting Stats EL 6.25" | EGN 4.4" | EGMS 4.6" | EGB 5.4"
PMMA S1 8/1/2011 | 15cc @ 10% | Results EGN 4.5" | EGMS 4.875" | EGB 5.5"
PMMA S2 1/25/2012 | 24cc @ 20% | Results EGN 5" | EGMS 5.25" | EGB 6.25"
PMMA S3 6/8/2012 | 15@20%,6@10% | Results 1yr EGN 5 1/16" | EGMS 5.5" | EGB 6.25"
Progress Report
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hoddle10
@edupd, please update your progress report. According to your sig, it seems you gained virtually nothing at all from round 3, is that right?
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edupd
The only gains I have left after round 3 is mid-shaft.  They pumped an extra couple cc's of 20% right on the top and that's pretty much all that's left from round 3.  What I have now is still more than what I started with but the gains are pretty marginal compared to everyone else it seems.  It's likely almost pure PMMA with very little collagen.

I still have to measure things up but I'll post an update to my PR this weekend when I get a chance.
Starting Stats EL 6.25" | EGN 4.4" | EGMS 4.6" | EGB 5.4"
PMMA S1 8/1/2011 | 15cc @ 10% | Results EGN 4.5" | EGMS 4.875" | EGB 5.5"
PMMA S2 1/25/2012 | 24cc @ 20% | Results EGN 5" | EGMS 5.25" | EGB 6.25"
PMMA S3 6/8/2012 | 15@20%,6@10% | Results 1yr EGN 5 1/16" | EGMS 5.5" | EGB 6.25"
Progress Report
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el6eg4
@edupd - how old are you and how would would you rate your lifestyle in terms of health (eating well, exercising and drinking frequency)
- since you feel collagen growth was minimal and you mainly have pmma beads, how does your dick feel, hard or natural?

@bricep - thank you pointing out the differences in volume received
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edupd
@el6eg4 - I'm 39 (started getting PMMA at 37) and eat relatively healthy but exercise infrequently.  I'll exercise 3-4 times a week for a few weeks then stop for a few months and so on.   Just enough to keep me from getting any heavier than 205-210.  I have maybe 2-3 drinks a month. 

My sleeping habits however are terrible.  I will frequently stay up for 24 hours or more then crash for 10 hours straight.  I work from home and have no set hours so I tend to just go to sleep when I can't keep my eyes open any more.

My shaft feels natural, just a bit thicker than what I started with.

I did find that I kept the girth on while I was taking CoQ10 but within a month or so of stopping I started noticing the girth disappearing.  250mg CoQ10 is pretty damn expensive and I wasn't sure it was helping which is why I stopped after about 4 month post-round 3.  I just picked up a bottle this past week with the intention of resuming for a couple months just to see if anything changes again.  With natural intercourse I'm guessing the soft tissue will become agitated enough to stimulate collagen growth again (maybe?).
Starting Stats EL 6.25" | EGN 4.4" | EGMS 4.6" | EGB 5.4"
PMMA S1 8/1/2011 | 15cc @ 10% | Results EGN 4.5" | EGMS 4.875" | EGB 5.5"
PMMA S2 1/25/2012 | 24cc @ 20% | Results EGN 5" | EGMS 5.25" | EGB 6.25"
PMMA S3 6/8/2012 | 15@20%,6@10% | Results 1yr EGN 5 1/16" | EGMS 5.5" | EGB 6.25"
Progress Report
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Jelq Nicholson
Thanks for the big work bricep.

I would have guessed the increase per cc would diminish with the length of the shaft (more cc needed to thicken a longer dick) but it's not obvious (if I read correctly).

It might go along with your hypothesis that the first cc count the most. And that it varies greatly among individuals.

It could help to know wether the length as been measured BPEL or not and if the girth increase is evenly distributed along the shaft. It's becoming tough at this point and those numbers are already very helpful. 

Putting my goal at about 0.75 girth increase, using 30% concentration, I would assume a first round at 15cc is safe, as from the data it could add around 0.25 to almost a full inch.


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