Dude123
Im actually a incel, im balding, skinnyfat, fucked up ugly teeth, hypogonadism, undefined bloated face with weak narrow jaw and recessed cheekbones

Ive trained 2 years but i gained Zero muscle, ive only gone from fat to skinnyfat


I also dont have any Friends or social cycle

Im also unable to have sex, but i want to get at least a genital reconstruction



So i want to know if it is even possible as a under average guy to get laid casually without being forced to pay for it

For me it seems that it is absolutely impossible 


We live in a 20%/80% Society where only the top dogs get pussy while every other guy must pray for luck to get laid
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number22
come on guys, no need to down vote the fellow, he sounds like he's at the end of the world!

dude you are a man with a plan, that's for sure. 


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Mustang2020
Our Western Society is getting very difficult for average men to have any sex. I have not had sex for a few months now, I consider my self a bit above average but the problem is that, in my case, most women are so demanding and expect so much that it is getting to be "not worth it" to go after them...Just some info to add to your knowledge base.

Good luck and stay healthy.
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think
Mustang2020 wrote:
Our Western Society is getting very difficult for average men to have any sex. I have not had sex for a few months now, I consider my self a bit above average but the problem is that, in my case, most women are so demanding and expect so much that it is getting to be "not worth it" to go after them...Just some info to add to your knowledge base.

Good lick and stay healthy.

I have a son who's 18, and this is exactly what he's been telling me. He's above average and has the physique of a bodybuilder. He said "girls are only normal when they're drunk", because he usually only has luck hooking up at college parties, outside of that he said the effort you need to go to is crazy. Only guys who are in the top 5 percent in terms of godlike attractive features have no problems, especially if they show signs of wealth, nice car etc... it was totally different a short 20 years ago... funny, just last night i got a series of texts from him venting about this and then I saw this post.

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Gg82
From The Red Pill glossary:

Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various shit tests to ensure his "health" on the alpha scale. She is conditioned to recognize a declining alpha, as hypergamy also tends to continue seeking out higher status males even while with an alpha male. Shit tests allow her to prepare herself for eventually leaving when a new higher status male is found. If the male fails shit tests to a great enough degree, it will effect her feelings for him. He will effectively lower his sexual market value in her eyes. This will enable her to jump to the next male with ease and little remorse.


Hypergamy is usually at maximum between 18-27, then the biological clock in women’s mind start to tickle and most of them usually settle down with some solid provider.
That’s what we’ve been seeing a lot in the last decades.
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naginati
I think most of what is said here is true.

I also think the pendulum is due to swing the other way now. Culture, economies and politics swing back and forth.

'hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times'.

There's a bit of truth in that I think.


We are seeing a Red Pill rising more and more in the west. Men are becoming more aware that their lives are not as good as those of their grandads.

PC culture can now be being criticised, we have Trump and Brexit, SJW is now an insult. It's nearing breaking point, these things were unthinkable even 5 years ago. 

I don't even like Redpill philosophy that much, but I admit there is a lot of truth in what they preach, sadly. It's very hard to accept the world for what it is, while continuing to care and not turn into a miserable and bitter cunt.

Nobody is perfect and people can be shits, but they have great sides too. Zen and mindfulness, being able to accept the world non judgementally and focus on problem solving is something which is helping me a lot. I don't split the world into black and white as I did so much before, it's all varying shades of grey.

The ex dumped me for getting PMMA, but she had handled a lot of my issues before. I was only worth so much to her, as she was to me. I didn't have enough value to be worth further effort. I would have done the same to her eventually, that's people. I've gone from resenting her to accepting and understanding what she did. I don't feel anything for her now, good or bad. I owe her nothing, as she owes me nothing. 

Very hard to get the balance right in life. Be a man and don't be a pussy, but don't be cold and detached either. Women have their own battles too.


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Herbert West
Mustang2020 wrote:
Our Western Society is getting very difficult for average men to have any sex. I have not had sex for a few months now, I consider my self a bit above average but the problem is that, in my case, most women are so demanding and expect so much that it is getting to be "not worth it" to go after them...Just some info to add to your knowledge base.

Good lick and stay healthy.


It's not only in Western society. It's everywhere now, besides islamic countries and probably some of non-westernised Asian countries. This shit is beyond of mind and it seems like it's going to be worse in the next few years. Bitches don't even have a conclusion how high they pulled up the bar. If you're not looking really good (I don't even say that "average" in their terms is a synonym of "shit") - you will have very serious problems with getting laid. Same for height, body, dick size. You just literally need to be in top 10%, or maybe even in top 1% in some cases. But they don't realise that this is simply impossible.

It makes me full of rage as fuck, when I see some 3/10 skinny-fat whore, who's pretendind to have sex only with a top-notch alpha-male, like "You should have all package i.e. face, height, body, dick". Fuck this. Western world is dead. EE is dead. I guess only some of SEA countries are still have not ill of this epidemia.
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chester
HW, I understand how you can feel that way. I definitely empathize, specially when I was much younger and in my teens and early twenties but your words simply don't ring true. You're admittedly speaking more from anger than from reality. No way in the world do you have to be in the top 10 of men or have a big dick just to get women in bed. Sometimes we get so angry with the situation that we take extreme views. I know because I've been there. I probably wrote worst stuff in my diary as a teen, but as I got older and got more experience, I realized things weren't the way I thought they were. I can tell you from personal experience of my 44 years that things get better. *You* just have to get better yourself. Get *better* and you will make your situation better.
CURRENT: 6.2" EL x 6.2" EG
GOAL: 7" EL x 6" EG
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nohidingstyle
I see what you mean as a trend but people will always be people. Women value connections and emotional bonds and trust and respect and kindness very highly. They may say they want the best physically but they’re just hedging. Don’t mind it. Be real. They know how good they really look (or maybe they don’t, Ive noticed most women have very low self esteems even if they project confidence). Try to have some empathy for their position (fearful, disempowered) and maybe you can accept why they would project such high standards. They gotta play the only cards they feel they have.
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Bolkonsky
totally disagree with nohidingstyle. women DO NOT value anything he said. no disrespect bud.

And no you will never get laid with your attitude. If you think you are underaverage you are. You need confidence and assertiveness. without it you are weak and nothing makes a vagina dryer than weakness.. so toughen up bud. Do something. Work hard and stop being underaverage.


Before Manual PE:
BPEL 6.25"(probably less as i wasn't measuring right)
EG: top 4.8" base 5.25"

After Manual PE:
Hanging, Jelqing, ULI, Pumping... tried almost everything.
BPEL 7.5"
nbpEL 6.8"  (this measurement varies quite a bit)
EG below glans 5.25"
EG base 6.8"

After 2 pmma rounds


length is same
base girth 7.5"
Mid-shaft girth 6.5"
just below head girth 6"
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Mustang2020
Herbert West wrote:


It's not only in Western society. It's everywhere now, besides islamic countries and probably some of non-westernised Asian countries. This shit is beyond of mind and it seems like it's going to be worse in the next few years. Bitches don't even have a conclusion how high they pulled up the bar. If you're not looking really good (I don't even say that "average" in their terms is a synonym of "shit") - you will have very serious problems with getting laid. Same for height, body, dick size. You just literally need to be in top 10%, or maybe even in top 1% in some cases. But they don't realise that this is simply impossible.

It makes me full of rage as fuck, when I see some 3/10 skinny-fat whore, who's pretendind to have sex only with a top-notch alpha-male, like "You should have all package i.e. face, height, body, dick". Fuck this. Western world is dead. EE is dead. I guess only some of SEA countries are still have not ill of this epidemia.


Agree to a good certain extent having been told by EVERY friend of min, 35-65 age, these are their feelings too. A few guys have not had sex with their wives in the last YEAR!!!!!!!
Live Long and F*** Long 😉

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The elist Silicone Implant is a failure by design, a disaster by Surgeon and a Let Down by the Medical board!, in my Unmedical, Unprofessional Opinion 😉
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Mustang2020
chester wrote:
HW, I understand how you can feel that way. I definitely empathize, specially when I was much younger and in my teens and early twenties but your words simply don't ring true. You're admittedly speaking more from anger than from reality. No way in the world do you have to be in the top 10 of men or have a big dick just to get women in bed. Sometimes we get so angry with the situation that we take extreme views. I know because I've been there. I probably wrote worst stuff in my diary as a teen, but as I got older and got more experience, I realized things weren't the way I thought they were. I can tell you from personal experience of my 44 years that things get better. *You* just have to get better yourself. Get *better* and you will make your situation better.


Yes, BUT, you can be the best you can be and still get no where with "above average beautiful women" since they have guys lining up to date them. That's the problem in many but not all cities in the USA...

I was in Germany 6 years ago, Paris about 4 years ago and I had a great time talking to beautiful friendly women who were very easy to talk to.

Last year I was in Asia, pretty much I could pick any "beautiful" woman and talk to her and even take her out to dinner and 80% of the time had tons of fun....Asian women, in Asia, love Foreign men and there so many available women it is ridiculous!

May I mention the recent debacle of the supreme court nominee? 😉

Self confidence is Extremely important, yes, but you still need money and status to get "beautiful" women.

I say "beautiful" women because for me I can't sleep with women who are not attractive to me and hence my options are limited and with our social structure as of now and going into the future, my options are looking really baaaaad...... LOL..

Yes, no matter what you read or hear or see on TV about women wanting a "sensitive" guy, it's all BULLSHIT...LOL...

Women will Always respect a tough confidant guy just like guys want a beautiful sex machine in bed........It is a cave man/woman reality.
Live Long and F*** Long 😉

elist FAILED Silicone implant and My report here: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-mustang-saga-elist-silicone-implant-prfm-pmma-and-then-5414806?&trail=15

The elist Silicone Implant is a failure by design, a disaster by Surgeon and a Let Down by the Medical board!, in my Unmedical, Unprofessional Opinion 😉
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lordoftorture
More or less its men's fault many women are shit these days. I really dont understand how persistent are some men in chasing hot babes. It looks humiliating to me and creates shittiest personalities in these women, who think they are gods gift for men. And what is the point of being with a beautiful girl who treats you like a servant and has no idea how to fuck. And many of them dont, because in their mind they are the object of sex, they dont know how to admire and cherish men. All their focus is on them. There have been more than 20 times I did not want to finish sex with such skank and would pull my pants and leave in the middle, telling her she sucks at this. I would rather be with an average or below average woman who is so excited to be with me that first orgasm is in her panties while I undress her.

Dude123 -

Just be the best version of yourself. Exercise, learn how to dress well, to behave like a gentlemen and have ton of confidence. This alone is the most important feature of a man. Behave like alpha. There are plenty of losers out there who get laid a lot because they are cocky as fuck. If you behave like a loser, people will treat you like one.

And look around. Sometimes it is subtle, but you will notice women who check you out. Women choose us. You have just few minutes to present yourself and the woman has made up her mind if she will fuck you or not.

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nohidingstyle
Bolkonsky... I've slept with hundreds of women. Maybe there are different angles to it... But yes, confidence and assertiveness work very well for most women.
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smalljay
This is already one of the best threads I've seen here. It's hard out here for a pimp.

Go ahead guys - didn't mean to interrupt
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