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havingfun73
Thanks H!  Thats the best picture and illustration that i have seen yet!    

hoddle10 wrote:
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This is an example of the V/Y incision. 
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Hunkydory01
Yeah like Hoddle's pic, that scar doesn't heal well. I had the other kind that is a 1.5 inch horizontal scar where your pubes are. It's not noticeable. I don't regret it, as I had no bad consequences and ultimately I did gain but I can't say it's from that, as the gains came over a year and a half. I also had it with the girth surgery for $1,000 more as an afterthought. I went down to FL for dermal grafts over 20 years ago and heard about the surgery the day I was there and said sure. It sounds crazy but there were no internet boards like this or anyone to talk it through with. Doing both at the same time is not recommended as hanging is required post-surgery as soon as you can, and for the dermal grafts, the recovery is to do nothing to your dick for 2 months. That is a similar recovery for a lot of the more invasive girth procedures.

I don't know much about updated procedures, except I don't recall hearing anyone having either kind of lengthening and coming on this board and saying wow, it was life-changing. I have heard guys say it amounted to very little, nothing, or a few that said their dicks got shorter. You will realistically have to hang or stretch your dick for a year, every day for 6-8 hours minimum to get gains with the surgery, regardless of what the DR.'s say, so I would do that first and then see if you still want the surgery. If you don't have the time or the commitment the surgery would at best only make your flaccid longer and you wouldn't have gained erect length anyway. That's about as much as I know about lengthening. I'm not sure it's worth it, but I would never have the VY regardless. It will make your junk look unattractive from the massive scar and you won't be able to hide it with your pubes and it will look worse if you shave. 
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hoddle10
Here are some examples, taken from Dr Alters and Dr Reeds websites, which shows why the V/Y incision isn't used so much these days, as it can cause visible scarring and also promote hair baring skin up the shaft.

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hoddle10
I had a V/Y myself and it was way worse than any of those. But I had a keloid scar, which was bright red and very thick. 
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Lios
hoddle10 wrote:
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This is an example of the V/Y incision. 

that is indeed a horrible scar, but these guys at morgansten seem to be good at what they do. Oooo this post is going to be goooood. 
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Hunkydory01
The best way to think about lengthening surgery is to accept that you are trading money for a scar for the possibility of having a longer flaccid. That's pretty much the best case scenario (that the scar is not bad, there are no complications, you gain enough flaccid length that it means something to you.) If you go in hoping for more you will probably be disappointed and prepare yourself for less. Thundersplace.org is great for info about hanging and stretching - I'd commit to that first and see what happens.
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hoddle10
Lios wrote:

that is indeed a horrible scar, but these guys at morgansten seem to be good at what they do. Oooo this post is going to be goooood. 


That isn't actually a scar. I think that's the incision stitched up just after surgery. I posted it just to give people an idea of how the V/Y incision works. The reason some surgeons like it is because it creates a flap, which is meant to accommodate the extra length. However, it's largely fallen out of favor in the US as it can leave unsightly scarring and create scrotal "dog ears." Most surgeons, in the US, tend to prefer the small transverse scar, like Hunkydory had. Gary Alter has said that he didn't really notice any observable length gain advantage by using the Y/V flap so prefers the transverse incision. 
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havingfun73
@Hunky, 

Thank You for sharing your experience.  Did having the lig cut, prevent turtling?  

Hunkydory01 wrote:
The best way to think about lengthening surgery is to accept that you are trading money for a scar for the possibility of having a longer flaccid. That's pretty much the best case scenario (that the scar is not bad, there are no complications, you gain enough flaccid length that it means something to you.) If you go in hoping for more you will probably be disappointed and prepare yourself for less. Thundersplace.org is great for info about hanging and stretching - I'd commit to that first and see what happens.
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hoddle10
Here is a progress report by one of our members who had V/Y incision. He hates his scar.

http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmma-at-avanti-derma-feb-11-2019-10048848?&trail=15
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Hunkydory01


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@Hunky, Thank You for sharing your experience.  Did having the lig cut, prevent turtling?  


I thought it did, but I had dermal fat grafts put in at the same time, which will not let you turtle. It is still my favorite PE procedure as a concept as mine lasted for over a decade before they died and it was the closest thing in look and feeling and touch - soft or hard - that looked completely natural. However, the success rate is so poor and it is the most invasive of all so I would never recommend it and very few doctors will do it. I went to Dr. Reed who has retired or died by now. He was old 24 years ago.

Since I switched to PMMA I get that turtle thing that guys get when soft which looks like a very thick uncircumcision - obviously not a fan. With the dermal grafts, I could get naked at the gym and I knew what my dick would look like. Its a wild card with PMMA - but I think it looks very good erect. I wish there was something to do about the turtling short of taking low doses of Cialis which make a big difference. I still don't turtle much - probably stay at 5" - but its enough to make my dick look weird.

Btw, if you do PMMA I would never do more than 10% - and go 4-5 times to get it looking right, even if a visit is for a small touch up. Its a lot of money and time - and it was cheaper when I did it - but I have had a lot of sex with a lot of different guys and no one was ever asked me if I did something to my dick. I've only gotten compliments so it can look natural when hard. I don't think it can when flaccid which is a bummer.

The only thing I am sure of is not to do VY (IMO).
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Hunkydory01
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The small scar on the base of my dick is from the dermal graft removal - and I even got lucky with that as it is minimal. The lig cut scar is under my pubes and not at all noticeable. Its the slightly darker area.
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aamd82fo
Dont do a VY incision. The possibility of a large, ugly scar is high and it really doesn't help with length much. 

Just use a suction device to hang from your penis. Work up to 4 or 5 lbs, for an hour a day. Do it for a year. Then go back and get filler. Do not get PMMA. Too many negatives. 
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Aviator1117
I am bit surprised by a reputed Dr.,s site claiming 2 inches of FL can be gained by lig cut and 1 inch EL.

Has anyone who has undergone this procedure can confirm. 
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Hunkydory01
There is no one that is going to confirm that is true. Generally, the word "possible" is added, and the guys who have it are not one of the possible. This surgery has been around for at least 24 years because that is when I had it. There are only so many ways to say that it will not give you any erect length and possibly .5" -.7" in flaccid length depending on the weather and stress. If a DR. is telling you that you will gain in erect length from it, they are not being honest with you. I also get why it will not stop a lot of guys from getting it. It's easy to get tunnel vision when something is a source of disappointment etc. 
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Lucentgentleman
 
I went to Dr. Morganstern and Dr. Carney did the operation on 05/07/19. I gained 2.5" flaccid from the lig cut. He said it was at the high end of his experience and pre-OP he said I was going to "at best, only hope for an inch" I measured 4" flaccid pre-op, 6.5+ post. He seemed very surprised. I gained probabl  1/2" erect post-op. 

I would insist that you have him use non-desolving suchers. Mine broke and tore the incision open in a week and it got infected. The location  of the incision is an area that pulls a lot when you walk or even go #2. I had to go to my regular doctor back home and get antibiotics. I spent a few weeks with a torn open wound. I ordered a sucher kit from Amazon and sewed it up myself. The scar is gonna be bad, all because I trusted him with the dissolving stitches. 

I'm finally starting to stretch a couple times a day for an hour each. He said you have to work up to it. It hurts at first but now its comfortable. This should give me up to 2" in 12 months. There's more to stretch now than before so the muscle is longer. He recommends the Phallosan Forte. Its $350 but easily worth it. I had a fat graph at the same time and the lipo is painful. My legs bruised almost to my ankles. I wouldn't recommend it done concurrently. The swelling below the head took two weeks to go down and the stretching device is finally not hurting to attach. I'm hoping for a solid 8+"

The post care communications from the clinic leaves something to be desired. Dr. Carney is really a professional and genuinely cares about his patients. The operation was easy for me and the operation staff was very gentle. I was up walking around almost immediately after recovery. They only prescribed tylenol with codeine. Fyi,  you're gonna need something stronger like norcos. 
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